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Forum:Region maps

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I'm also trying something with region maps, using the CUP Inner Sea region map and the OpenLayers map viewer. Check out the infobox on Usaro for an example.

My main concern is whether this use follows the CUP. The image isn't technically cropped, resized, or modified as part of the process—it's only providing a way to navigate the full-resolution image, similar to our use of the same map on Portal:Geography—but I don't know if I'm treading too close to the line.

For an alternative use, see {{Region_map/doc/Large_example}}.

It does seem like this skirts really close to the line on the terms of the CUP, but technically, we're not altering the image in any way. I would suggest you make a post on the Paizo boards or email and ask directly. If there's anyone who can state officially if we'd be violating the CUP by including these sorts of images on the wiki, it'd be Liz or Chris.

Will do. It's probably worth noting that Morbus Iff's Google Maps-powered site uses the same image the same way, and according to him it was allowed under the CUP. This just uses a different mapping library and embeds it into the wiki.

Per Chris, way back in April:

Looking at the example page, this doesn’t raise any concerns on our end, and would fall under appropriate usage under our Community Use Policy.

So I've added maps to every settlement with a pin on File:Inner Sea region map.jpg using the new innerseax and innerseay parameters on the {{City}} template.

Thanks a lot, Oz!

Truly excellent - thanks Oznogon.

On a bit of a whim, I've written up a Lua module and template that takes the X and Y coordinates that power these maps and calculates the distance between them based on the scale on the map itself. This means with a simple template, you can get a rough estimate of the distance between any two named settlements on the Inner Sea region map (as the crow flies, and only in miles for now).

* [[Egorian]] → [[Almas]]: {{Distance|Egorian|Almas}}
* [[Absalom]] → [[Magnimar]]: {{Distance|Absalom|Magnimar}}
* [[Port Ice]] → [[Eleder]]: {{Distance|Port Ice|Eleder}}

How about that! I had no idea that Egorian and Almas are about the same distance apart as Portland and Los Angeles. It also helps confirm the Afro-Euro scale of the Inner Sea region—the diagonal line from Eleder in the SW to Port Ice in the NE is roughly equivalent to the distance from Nouakchott, Mauritania on the western Saharan coastline to Stockholm, Sweden.

On the Paizo forums, John Mechalas did me one better and plugged the Inner Sea, Tian Xia, and Crown of the World maps into GIS software, then mapped them onto an Earth-sized globe. He even extrapolated a long list of Lat/Long coordinates for them! I might revise the distance template with some of his findings to make it more accurate.

That mapping work in my previous post has continued over the course of the month and evolved into a significant piece of fanwork. I've created and uploaded a vector version of that map, and as a proof of concept have a mockup of a revised Portal:Geography that incorporates an interactive version. (Also, the interactive version stands alone, and pulls excerpts from PathfinderWiki.)

While this map is a non-canon fanwork, James Jacobs has been active in the thread to provide suggestions toward making it more accurate than the canon, but not-to-scale, world map we already have. With regard to the Inner Sea region in particular, the geocoded locations on John's map retain the scale of the canon Inner Sea region map, making it a quite accurate tool for computing estimates of straight-line distances and areas. This opens up the possibility of using existing MediaWiki features to provide relevant geographical information, such as lists of locations within a certain radius of a point, or canon-accurate estimates of distances between locations.

Oznogon, is there anything I can do to help you with this project? Anything that isn't too coding intensive, that is?

@Brandingopportunity: I'm thinking about building a map index similar to the Art index or Index of Articles to associate locations with the publications that contain maps of them, to make it easier to refer to sources. Something very roughly along the lines of:

{| class="tantable tantablerows sortable"
! Location
! Position source
! Detail source
! Stylized source
| [[Absalom]]
| ''[[Inner Sea World Guide]]'', ''[[Inner Sea Poster Map Folio]]''
| ''[[Guide to Absalom]]''
| —
| [[Cheliax]]
| ''[[Inner Sea World Guide]]'', ''[[Inner Sea Poster Map Folio]]''
| ''[[Cheliax, The Infernal Empire]]'', ''[[Cheliax, Empire of Devils]]''
| ''[[Hell's Vengeance Player's Guide]]''

Right now, that information is either noted inconsistently in References sections, the sources section of a navbox, or not at all.

I've also dumped a list of locations and settlements that John's positioned on the map to see which of them don't have articles on the wiki yet, or which of them might be wrong in his data.

What would you use the map index for? Would you display them as an infobox on the location page?

I don't have plans offhand to incorporate them directly into articles (though that would be nice, and would certainly be a resource toward adding more info about relevant maps to location articles). For me at least, it'd be a resource for confirming which books contain maps that point to specific locations or of certain regions, which would help both this mapping project and GMs looking for books with specific maps. For instance, it's not obvious that the Sellen River map in Dreams of the Yellow King points to locations across several nations, and is one of the only maps that locates Heibarr in the Inner Sea region. Or that the free Iron Gods Player's Guide contains the same detailed map of Torch as Fires of Creation, or that Out of Anarchy has the same Pezzack city map as Towns of the Inner Sea, but Towns points to specific locations that Out of Anarchy doesn't.