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Isn't Urgathoa also a mortal who ascended to godhood without use of the Starstone? --This post was made by Amwari Please sign your posts by useing four '~' or clicking on the signature button

Urgathoa is said to have ascended without the star stone. but that same story says she ascended after having died. And all of this happened before disease existed. I don't think her ascension story has ever been more than a 'her clergy preaches' type thing. Where, for some of the younger gods, Elves might have fathers or grandfathers who fought beside them as mortals. So their ascension stories are written in a more definite way. -- Cpt kirstov (talk) 04:53, 21 May 2015 (UTC)