Category talk:Homiciders

Cat rename

I cannot find 'Homicider' in any dictionary - I even looked at US ones. If a person is homicidally inclined, I think they are a 'homicide' instead but that is archaic. I suggest Cat:Killers as an alternative. Executioners kill but homicide suggests a criminal act so also doesn't feel right.

Re comment on Maddy Whorlwalker, "Need Category:Murderers between homiciders and Cat:Serial killers?", I agree. It would be a subcat of Cat:Killers or equivalent. -Fleanetha (talk) 15:50, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

On mobile so my tone is going to be brief, apologies: Homicide is not inherently illegal, "killer" doesn't distinguish between killing animals and sentient beings, and wiktionary is the first result for a search of "homicider". Will doublecheck my OED when I get home but OED agrees with you on "homicide" as the term for both the act and its perpetrator; I went through several alternatives looking for a term. Real-world is a poor guide--only humans to worry about, don't have to consider or differentiate legal terms for killing nonhuman sentient beings because none exist. -Oznogon (talk) 19:26, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes, and since my earlier comment, I saw your comment about finding a new word, so sorry to pour water on that. Also, I realised that, in Golarion, a vast number of 'people' are going to be killers of some sort - illegal, 'adventurers' (!), or legal. Homicide, of course, is strictly only for humans, and omnicide doesn't do what we want it to do. Tricky. Though, hunters and butchers cover the non-sentient 'killers' well enough for me. Killer definitely (to me) has connotations of sentient-cide. Wiktionary has no origin but, yes, it is there, though I find it no where else when I looked again. Slayer doesn't work and has double probs for us as it's a class, yet all the other synonyms I found really do not work. Tricky again. --Fleanetha (talk) 19:47, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

We have other profession categories disambiguating them from classes, including Category:Hunters (profession) and Category:Assassins (profession). "Slayers (occupation)" might actually work, considering the connotation provided by its class (geared toward killing intelligent creatures/people, as opposed to the hunter class focus on monsters and beasts); while "Slayers (profession)" would be more parallel, a professional slayer is just an assassin. -Oznogon (talk) 20:25, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Also, hey, why not: we have dragonslayers, giantslayers, etc. as canon terms. Dragons and giants are named, sentient people. This seems quite practical and fitting the more I consider it. -Oznogon (talk) 20:35, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Also, re: the "vast number of 'people' are going to be killers of some sort" point--true, though it is the occupation of relatively few. An adventurer might kill in the process of their occupation, especially from a player perspective, but like a solider killing is a consequence of their occupation, not the primary intent. Adventurers and soldiers both have dangerous occupations that put them in line to kill, and even train to kill, but do not necessarily set out to kill as a daily occupation--unlike a murderer, executioner, assassin, etc. -Oznogon (talk) 20:34, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Good points. Let's go with slayer (occupation), then, over the elusive 'homicider'. 'Killer' actually suffers from being too generic on reflection anyway. Maybe Paizo had a similar debate when they needed names for their books? I'll await you response before enacting. --Fleanetha (talk) 09:37, 14 January 2019 (UTC)