PathfinderWiki talk:Open Game License
Deletion proposal
I suggest the OGL be removed from the project for several reasons. Primarily, I don't like the idea of mixing the OGL with the CUP, as it blurs the line of what is and isn't Paizo's IP. Furthermore, for us to abide by the terms of the OGL, we would have to disclose somewhere on the site what is and isn't open, and would need to keep Section 15 of this document updated to include every OGL source from which we get information. The second reason is that we have a no crunch policy and should therefor never be adding open content to the site. Everything we handle is covered by the CUP and we should need no further license than that. I will work with the folks at Wikia to get the CUP text added to the footer of the page so that we are following the requirements of that as well. Thoughts? —yoda8myhead 09:50, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
- Sounds about right to me. And if it's ever needed again, we're just a copy and paste away from having it back. —aeakett 22:59, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
Explanation for retention
This talk page kept to remind is why we deleted the source page. --Brandingopportunity 02:33, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
And It's Back
Recreating this page for a few reasons. First, we do include some minor pieces of crunch (CR, alignment, class, etc.). Second, some names are WotC IP, but the OGL gives us the right/permission to use it (owlbear or rust monster for example).
I initially recreated this page in the wrong namespace, and there was some conversation on the talk page, which I am including below:
I created this page by doing a copy/paste of the OGL from the PRD. Technically speaking, it still needs a lot of work. Section 15 should contain every OGL book that we draw from for articles (actually, I think it should contain the contents of Section 15 of every OGL book we draw from). That's going to be a lot of work, and something we'll have to keep on top of. Also, we'll have to keep a look out for books that have odd bits of Product Identity and make sure they get added. —Aeakett 03:35, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for doing this, Aeakett. As you said, it's going to be a lot of work, but I'll add to it as I come across OGL material. --Brandingopportunity 08:12, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
- The Archives of Nethys website had all this data so may be a cut and paste job???
- See here: http://www.archivesofnethys.com/ogl.htm
- and here for his newer version: http://www.archivesofnethys.com/test/Licenses.aspx
- --Fleanetha 10:17, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
- We should be very wary of just copy/pasting the OGL from any site without thoroughly checking its contents. We don't need to replicate each book's Section 15, just the entry for the book itself. It's meant to allow someone to trace back to the source by going to each book's Section 15 in turn, not to bloat Section 15's of books more and more in each iteration. —Yoda8myhead 19:37, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
- Ah, thanks for clearing this up... I've always been a little foggy on how it was supposed to be done. —Aeakett 23:12, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
- We should be very wary of just copy/pasting the OGL from any site without thoroughly checking its contents. We don't need to replicate each book's Section 15, just the entry for the book itself. It's meant to allow someone to trace back to the source by going to each book's Section 15 in turn, not to bloat Section 15's of books more and more in each iteration. —Yoda8myhead 19:37, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
OK. I've made a start at updating Section 15. I'll continue to fill in the holes, and I hereby pledge to keep the list up to date as new releases come out... EXCEPT for PFS scenarios. I have all of Season 0 (which I'll add), but after that I just couldn't keep up. So we'll need a volunteer to take care of those and keep them updated. —Aeakett 20:39, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
On a slightly different note, I'm a bit confused about something. My impression ws that the deep crow, and the coeurl were not open content. The thing is, I don't see anything in the statements of open content or product identity of the books they're in (AP #s 16 & 22) excluding them. Am I missing something? Are my eyes just tired? —Aeakett 20:43, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
- I think both fall under the "proper nouns" and "trademarks" portion of the product identity declaration. In either case, Paizo doesn't own them and thus can't declare them open content. So while the stats for either are open, neither name is open. In this case, however, I believe we're covered under the CUP regarding using their names on here, or at the very least Fair Use, since most of the mention of them is to say, "hey! this book contains stats for a coeurl and a deep crow! check if, mofo!" and, as such, is more a commentary on the work rather than any challenge to the IP itself. Then again, IANAL, so take that for what it's worth.—Yoda8myhead 22:21, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Future
This hasn't been maintained in a decade or so, and PF2 is moving to ORC. If this still needs to exist, is there an easier way to add new works to this list than manually pulling the OGL notices from every PF book since 2012? -Oznogon (talk) 00:02, 12 October 2023 (UTC)