Meta:Barghest

Retroactive changes

Per James Jacobs, descriptions and lore about barghests from Pathfinder First Edition are closely connected to their depictions in other games that were used in the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game through the Open Game License. Because the Pathfinder Second Edition Remaster Project changed Pathfinder's license to the ORC License, these shared details could no longer be applied to barghests in the Pathfinder campaign setting.

In Monster Core, many prior details of barghest associations with Lamashtu and the Outer Rifts are now described as apocryphal, and prior details or implications of them being at least partially goblinoid were tacitly removed.¹

Divine Mysteries intentionally retained barghests' association with goblins as the goblin hero-gods, however, per Luis Loza on the PaizoCon Discord server.²

For the version of this article prior to these changes, see revision 475779. -Oznogon (talk) 17:52, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

References

↑ "The association of barghests with goblins is indeed from D&D, and so when we remastered them, we needed to change that. Going back to original mythological roots and lore for barghests is what we decided upon." James Jacobs. (March 1, 2025). Comment on "Are hobgoblins and bugbears still goblinoids in Pathfinder Remaster?", Paizo messageboards.
↑ Per a question asked on the Discord:
“For something involving the groupings of gods, I was curious about what was happening with the Barghest Gods? Seeing as the new Barghest lore seems to divorce them from Goblins largely. Is there any lore that details that change?”
Luis Loza's response, dated May 25, 2024, at 4:06 PM PST:
"Barghest gods are still around, plus additional goblin gods 🙂"

Incorporated sources

Monster Core 38 -Stejo (talk) 14:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC) -Oznogon (talk) 18:45, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

[1] "The association of barghests with goblins is indeed from D&D, and so when we remastered them, we needed to change that. Going back to original mythological roots and lore for barghests is what we decided upon." James Jacobs. (March 1, 2025). Comment on "Are hobgoblins and bugbears still goblinoids in Pathfinder Remaster?", Paizo messageboards.

[2] Per a question asked on the Discord:
“For something involving the groupings of gods, I was curious about what was happening with the Barghest Gods? Seeing as the new Barghest lore seems to divorce them from Goblins largely. Is there any lore that details that change?”
Luis Loza's response, dated May 25, 2024, at 4:06 PM PST:
"Barghest gods are still around, plus additional goblin gods 🙂"

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