User talk:Stejo

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Scale of Igroon

Thanks for adding Scale of Igroon! I split it out of the Igroon article and edited to be a standalone article with categorization and linked to it from the Igroon article.

We can document mechanical abilities, but as a canon resource we have a "No crunch" policy that requires that such abilities be rewritten as in-universe effects. This effectively means that game rules and mechanics (like damage, hit points, or the Stealth skill) should be described only as they would be in-universe (like harm, health, and camouflage). My own rule of thumb for that is to imagine how a GM would describe the in-universe effects or abilities in-game when a PC or NPC uses them during a game. -Oznogon (talk) 17:28, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Plagiarism/copy-pasting from books

Hey Stejo, please review PathfinderWiki:Plagiarism — copying and pasting content from books violates the Community Use Policy and puts the project at risk. I've reverted the paragraphs pasted from Book of the Dead as a result. Thanks! -Oznogon (talk) 21:47, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I've rewritten or reverted several of your edits incorporating fully or nearly verbatim text from Tian Xia World Guide to avoid putting the wiki at risk for copyright violations. We're allowed to use content from these texts only under these conditions as a matter of legal policy. Please rewrite new additions to the wiki in your own words. If you need assistance, please ask in our Discord chat. -Oznogon (talk) 03:49, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Copying and pasting verbatim text from books is a copyright issue regardless of whether the text is commented out. I have reverted, rewritten, or rolled back edits that added verbatim copied content in comments. To designate that a work has unincorporated content, note the work and page range on the article's Meta page, which for example had already been done for Tian Xia World Guide and Shenmen: see Meta:Shenmen. Details in PathfinderWiki:Meta page guidelines. -Oznogon (talk) 16:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Moving pages

Hi Stejo, I saw you'd moved a page for the Monster Core renaming - thanks but these moves are ever so tricky and need careful planning. I see Oznogon has done that work for you, so please take a look at the scale of the changes needed for any future ones you spot. There is a help page here that shows the sorts of things to consider: Help:Renaming pages due to canon changes . However, we are not expecting new users to cope with all of that, though if you're up for it - great. However, if you spot another necessary move, you can always add a Move template to the page and someone will be alerted to the need to plan the move thereafter. How to do this is covered here on the help page: Help:Renaming pages due to canon changes. Do reply if you have any questions or comments and thanks for all your work in your first couple of weeks. --Fleanetha (talk) 09:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Bandersnatch

Reverted an edit on bandersnatch because the newly added references were to an unclear source that resulted in broken citations and infobox, and the plural form changes from bandersnatches to bandersnatchs were incorrect. -Oznogon (talk) 01:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

• know how to reference the Kingmaker (adventure path)-Stejo (talk) 01:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Please take a pause

Thanks for all your recent work on the wiki, Stejo - it truly is much appreciated. However, your changes are important to get right. You will have seen they are generating considerable remedial work for the small admin team, and we are finding it difficult to keep up with your immense speed. Please take a break for a few days while we attempt to catch up and so we can all take a breath. --Fleanetha (talk) 22:00, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Considerations for future editing

Hi Stejo, we've had a think looking at your recent edits and here are a few pointers that would really help us were you to take them on board.

• stop adding tracts of hidden info onto pages—this is really not valuable at all for several reasons:
  • anyone wanting to add such info should take it from the original source, for a start
  • you already know, that if you add a note about the required updates to the Meta page, the wiki auto-generates a note in the References section to indicate that there is more material to be added; adding hidden text to the page literally hides this useful info
  • be bold and add the information yourself!
  • if you have not added / cannot add everything from an source to a page, simply add a note in the Meta page that there is more info that can be added
• pass your edits through a spell checker before submitting to reduce typos
• check source and page numbers—I noticed many of yours were the wrong page or the wrong book, and this causes a lot of work having to check each one individually
• try to alphabetise any list you create
• case is very important on the wiki, so 'Putrid plague' is read as a completely different subject from 'Putrid Plague', so try to ensure any links you create are correct. Here is a help page that explains this further: PathfinderWiki:Naming conventions
• Don't create self-links, including self-links through redirects ("loop links" or "circular links"). A visitor who clicks a link and is redirected to the page they're already on, without any reasoning or explanation, will be confused. We also embolden redirect targets on the target page. This page explains a lot more: Help:Redirect
• we try to avoid raw lists in pages and I've seen you create a few of them - consider creating a navbox instead that can sit at the foot of every relevant page and acts as a much more useful aid. For more information about how we create and use them, have a look here: Help:Navboxes

I know that's a lot, and we won't expect you to do all of it straight away, but we hope this is a help to you to understand the areas where you can help lower the burden on other editors by creating more-wiki-ready material, rather than expecting others to complete your work. --Fleanetha (talk) 10:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

I've added Help:Creating and using lists to offer some advice on when and how to use lists effectively. -Oznogon (talk) 17:53, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

thank you of all the help, always trying to do better at catching my own mistakes and learning the wiki writing rules.Stejo (talk) 16:08, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

We've noticed Stejo - many thanks and keep up the good work! --Fleanetha (talk) 16:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Season of Ghosts spoilers

I don't think every NPC needs the entire AP spoiled on their articles. We've gotten very strong feedback that spoiling that AP on the wiki is a poor experience, especially when it's unnecessary, and that due to the scale of the spoiler, just adding a spoiler banner is not enough. I've rolled back the edit that did so on Yong Wu-Xiu. -Oznogon (talk) 14:51, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

thank for informing me and the rollback—Stejo (talk) 16:56, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Ayrzul's Blight

Thanks for putting in the citation - I missed that off the section that I'd left in. This is the text I thought needed a rewrite (I did a bit and added a ref for gritblights but then gave up) and which I'd commented out. I've moved it here for ease of discussion. Maybe add here the text referenced for clarity? We can work on it together if you like?

He unleashed his blight-carrying minions, such as gritblights, as part of his attack, either pursuing the retreating troops or because he was capsizing on a different opening before it and the Plane of Metal were seemly lost, one, both of the elemental lords of wood or the plane it self quickly being sealed off.

Not sure how good i can do. Not the best writer, and write when I have inspiration for an article if it’s not basic source updating. Will interject with references when I find them, though not the best at merging them. —Stejo (talk) 23:12, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

In reviewing Ayrzul, I think I understood what was being added here, so have replaced some of the material above - please check. --Fleanetha (talk) 16:15, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Plagiarism/copy-pasting from books - AGAIN

I'm sorry to have to write this but it's clear the guidance and the many warnings you've had about not copy and pasting have gone unheeded, Stejo. Recently, several editors have had to reword pages you've written to remove the obvious cut-and-pasted sections. You've been asked not to do this; you've had it explained a few times why we can't allow this; and you've been asked above to read the policy on plagiarism. Please do NOT cut and paste from the Paizo books. Instead, write any additions to the wiki in your own words rather than just moving around Paizo's text. Many of your edits are appreciated and useful - please stick to those if it's too hard to write material in your own words. Please take this as a formal warning, as if this behaviour continues, we will have to consider removing your editing privileges. --Fleanetha (talk) 23:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

writing is not my strong suit and thought I was avoiding plgerism by reordering wording while keeping words that didn’t have clear synonyms. have to triple think my sentences now to avoid a third strike, going need review how it keeps happening. —-Stejo (talk) 01:45, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

do you know of any software that can help spot plagiarism? —-Stejo (talk) 01:49, 15 ,November 2024 (UTC)

I have just got round to reviewing some of your more recent edits, Stejo, and there is still a problem with phrases taken wholesale from Paizo's books. Furthermore, slapping a 'FIXME' banner on the page for others to do the hard work of formatting and rewording the copied text is not sustainable, as it causes a lot of work, the page is left in a poor state for maybe many months, and the copied text ultimately remains on the wiki within the page's history. We can see your efforts to improve but the admin team request you take a break and refrain from editing for a period of two weeks (until 15 December 2024). After that, Stejo, we suggest you do not edit body text and keep to your useful mechanical work on the pages (infobox update, navbox additions, etc.), as we really do not want to permanently ban you but cannot allow further plagiarism. --Fleanetha (talk) 08:32, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

fine by me but would like to request I can still fill out the incorporated sources meta pages related to the recent Divine Mysteries? Many mentions and do not with to see them completely overlooked by future editors. --Stejo (talk) 14:08, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

No, sorry, Stejo, the decision was for a full break. Everything will still be here on the 15th. --Fleanetha (talk) 16:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)