Talk:Arazni

Real-world POV notes on canon conflicts

Information given in the first printing of Classic Horrors revisited that Arazni had taken the test of the Starstone, and was reanimated by Geb as a mummy has been confirmed by James Jacobs as completely incorrect. (James Jacobs, 6th March, 2010: Link: http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/chronicles/classicHorrorsRevisitedErrataGMReference&page=1#2 )

Content moved here from main article to maintain POV. This type of explanation of canon conflicts should probably be handled as outlined in the Canon policy—yoda8myhead 19:18, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

The Creation of Acheakek

I don't have access to "Gods and Magic", so I can't check the sources myself, but I noticed that on this page Acheakek was created as a response to Arazni's death, meaning he didn't exist before 3823 AR. However Acheakek's page lists famous instances from way back in -212 AR. Can someone check out this inconsistency?

Post above not signed, but apparently by MrErth on 23 February 2011; please sign posts using the signature button or 4 tildes "~" --Amethal2 15:55, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I can confirm the article is accurate as far as page 3 of Gods and Magic goes, and contradicts the Achakek reference in the Bestiary in Pathfinder 9 Escape from Old Korvosa. --Amethal2 15:55, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Achaekek was not created in response to Arazni's death, but is thousands of years older. See the Achaekek discussion page. --Brandingopportunity 18:08, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

OK, I have deleted the offending part of the article as Paizo have said that Gods & Magic was wrong here. --Amethal2 19:24, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Slight Revision of Creation of Bloodstones of Arazni

In the article on the Bloodstones of Arazni on p. 13 of Artifacts & Legends, it is stated that Arazni's organs were removed in Geb before her reanimation as a lich. This is a change from the description in Shadows of Gallowspire, which states that they were removed by the Knights of Ozem before her burial. The newer version is used here. --Brandingopportunity (talk) 18:14, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Death and undeath

Reverted an edit that removed Category:Dead deities because as an undead lich, Arazni can be both a dead deity and an actively worshiped deity providing spells to followers; these aren't exclusive. Per the crunch policy, "statistic blocks and most other game mechanics should be left out in favor of descriptive text to the same effect". -Oznogon (talk) 00:51, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Huh, as I understand it, she was a dead deity, and she no longer is one. Also, there was no explanation of why my grammar fix was also reverted. - HTD (talk) 00:57, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I've restored the grammar edit that was caught in the undo.

The article states and cites sources that Arazni was a demigoddess killed by Tar-Baphon, then raised as an undead lich by Geb. An undead creature is still a creature that died; it follows that an undead demigod is still a deity that died. If there are newer sources of equal or higher tier that change or contradict this, please cite them in the article and use the {{Conflict}} template to indicate where there are canon conflicts, per the canon policy. -Oznogon (talk) 01:20, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Then the heading of Category:Dead deities is misleading. It currently says:

“

Listed here are all deities thought or known to be dead.

”

If the category is supposed to include all deities that have ever died (not taking into account whether they were later resurrected or became undead, as I see that Tsukiyo is also in this category), then the verb to be near the end should be in perfect infinitive instead of present infinitive form (which implies that only currently-dead deities should be included). As I understand it, an undead creature (and demigod by extension) is one that died but isn't 'dead' anymore. - HTD (talk) 07:59, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Uncited statement

Removed this assertion:

“

She also came to care for the adventurers who aided her against Tar Baphon, sending them away from the explosion of the Radiant Fire.

”

I'm searching for a citation for this, since it sounds like a player-specific event in an AP that would need confirmation in a subsequent sourcebook. -Oznogon (talk) 17:20, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

So far:

• Gardens of Gallowspire "Concluding the Adventure" on pgs. 54–55 suggests that as long as the PCs get to Renchurch while Tar-Baphon is fighting Arazni, her intervention always happens regardless of the PCs' actions (including them retreating entirely). The events of Tyrant's Grasp are canon, so this is also implied to be canon. It's unclear if it'd be considered information necessary to player or story advancement within an adventure; this assertion is vague enough that it shouldn't be.
  • The section also accommodates parties who don't join Arazni, and also those who betray her; they still have to travel to the same destination as Arazni's teleportation. Barzahk is mentioned here in that context.
• Knights of Lastwall pg. 10 describes the third Radiant Fire blast at Renchurch that destroys and ascends her, but doesn't mention the PCs/adventurers.
• World Guide pg. 41 and Absalom, City of Lost Omens pg. 105 describe the initiating events of the campaign and some general events from it, but don't delve into the same spoiler territory.

I'm not sure what to do with this. We've historically not included events from APs that the players might be able to modify through their actions, unless those events are then described in a subsequent canon work. It seems weird to assume that Arazni always "finds herself fond of the PCs", but Gardens's "Concluding the Adventure" explicitly says she does by default. -Oznogon (talk) 18:38, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Alignment

While not canon information, Luis Loza confirmed on the Paizo messageboards that had alignment remained as a mechanic in Pathfinder Second Edition post-Remaster, her alignment would have shifted to chaotic neutral. -Oznogon (talk) 01:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)