Talk:Arazni/Archive 1
Real-world POV notes on canon conflicts (RESOLVED)
Information given in the first printing of Classic Horrors revisited that Arazni had taken the test of the Starstone, and was reanimated by Geb as a mummy has been confirmed by James Jacobs as completely incorrect.
(James Jacobs, 6th March, 2010: Link: http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/chronicles/classicHorrorsRevisitedErrataGMReference&page=1#2 )
Content moved here from main article to maintain POV. This type of explanation of canon conflicts should probably be handled as outlined in the Canon policy —yoda8myhead 19:18, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
- Later confirmed as a canon error and documented on Meta:Arazni. -Oznogon (talk) 21:03, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
The Creation of Acheakek (RESOLVED)
I don't have access to "Gods and Magic", so I can't check the sources myself, but I noticed that on this page Acheakek was created as a response to Arazni's death, meaning he didn't exist before 3823 AR. However Acheakek's page lists famous instances from way back in -212 AR. Can someone check out this inconsistency?
- Post above not signed, but apparently by MrErth on 23 February 2011; please sign posts using the signature button or 4 tildes "~" --Amethal2 15:55, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
I can confirm the article is accurate as far as page 3 of Gods and Magic goes, and contradicts the Achakek reference in the Bestiary in Pathfinder 9 Escape from Old Korvosa. --Amethal2 15:55, 23 February 2011 (UTC)Achaekek was not created in response to Arazni's death, but is thousands of years older. See the Achaekek discussion page. --Brandingopportunity 18:08, 23 February 2011 (UTC)OK, I have deleted the offending part of the article as Paizo have said that Gods & Magic was wrong here. --Amethal2 19:24, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
- The many conflicting origin stories of Achaekek, including the above, are now documented on Talk:Achaekek/Conflicts. -Oznogon (talk) 21:03, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
Death and undeath (RESOLVED)
Reverted an edit that removed Category:Dead deities because as an undead lich, Arazni can be both a dead deity and an actively worshiped deity providing spells to followers; these aren't exclusive. Per the crunch policy, "statistic blocks and most other game mechanics should be left out in favor of descriptive text to the same effect". -Oznogon (talk) 00:51, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
- Huh, as I understand it, she was a dead deity, and she no longer is one. Also, there was no explanation of why my grammar fix was also reverted. - HTD (talk) 00:57, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry, I've restored the grammar edit that was caught in the undo.
- The article states and cites sources that Arazni was a demigoddess killed by Tar-Baphon, then raised as an undead lich by Geb. An undead creature is still a creature that died; it follows that an undead demigod is still a deity that died. If there are newer sources of equal or higher tier that change or contradict this, please cite them in the article and use the {{Conflict}} template to indicate where there are canon conflicts, per the canon policy. -Oznogon (talk) 01:20, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
- Then the heading of Category:Dead deities is misleading. It currently says:
“Listed here are all deities thought or known to be dead.
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If the category is supposed to include all deities that have ever died (not taking into account whether they were later resurrected or became undead, as I see that Tsukiyo is also in this category), then the verb to be near the end should be in perfect infinitive instead of present infinitive form (which implies that only currently-dead deities should be included). As I understand it, an undead creature (and demigod by extension) is one that died but isn't 'dead' anymore. - HTD (talk) 07:59, 3 November 2018 (UTC)- Seven years of canon changes later, and enough other weird deity death/rebirth/redemption states, Category:Formerly dead deities exists and the entire list of deities restructured. -Oznogon (talk) 21:03, 31 March 2025 (UTC)