Talk:Winter Witch/Index

I do not know which Template to add to show this type of 'more work to be done' information.

This index has all of Chapter 1 completed, plus I have added other references from the rest of the book to some of the items so that they are now comprehensively finished for the whole book.

To signify what is not completely finished, I have added a '+' symbol to show more work is necessary for those items.

I hope you like the Chapter idea – for items with many references, it give a little more precision than just having '(many)' and highlights important areas of the book for that item.--Fleanetha 12:38, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Questions addressed in order: 1) The {{stub}} and {{stub|section}} templates are the only ones we really have for that. What we sometimes do if we are working on a larger project that is not ready for prime-time, is we put it on our User:Brandingopportunity/Sandbox page. We'll do that in instances where all we have are plain facts, or fragmentary sentences, or where the layout is not yet complete. Then when we feel it's ready, we create a page for it and copy all the information over. This is done so that users of the wiki don't come across pages that don't meet our standards in terms of readability and layout. It's very useful for larger articles such as indexes (or indices if you prefer). Since you have already created your Winter Witch index page, I'd say just continue to work on it there, and then when you are finished, create a link from the main Winter Witch page.

2) I think any formatting you use to show multiple pages or chapters is fine. Just be sure and create a glossary explaining what all the symbols mean at the top of the article, otherwise it's confusing.

So far there are no standardized rules for the formatting of indices. For examples of how other folks have done them, you should check out The Lost Pathfinder/Index, Eye of the Crocodile King/Index, Hell's Pawns/Index, City of Strangers/Index, Heart of the Jungle/Index, Prince of Wolves/Index, and Noble Sacrifice/Index. --Brandingopportunity 19:48, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Fictional Characters

How should we handle characters from the various fictional sources Paizo publishes?

For instance, I should say a page on Kjell is not really worth having, as he is a minor character in a fiction book. Perhaps a dramatis personae for the book would roll up most of this type of character. Is that a good idea and where would it best fit?

Another issue would be major characters: they may merit their own full wiki page, but to do them justice would require an epic level spoiler probably not welcomed by most!--Fleanetha 12:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

I'll address this in reverse order. If you feel that a page includes spoilers for a particular publication, just put in the {{spoiler}} template at the top of the page. For more info: Spoiler policy.

I would mostly ignore the smaller characters (those mentioned only once or twice or who have very limited impact on the story). You should think about who your intended audience is for your index article. When I started the Prince of Wolves/Index (which has since gone onto the back burner), I was thinking of it mainly as a resource for people reading the book who had very little knowledge of the world of Golarion, and who wanted more info than what is included in the glossary at the back of the book. Therefore, I focused on the larger campaign setting topics, such as countries, gods, etc, and didn't really include minor characters.

The only exception to this rule, in my opinion, is if a minor character, place, or item in the book already has an existing page in the wiki. In that instance, the book might be adding new information on a topic that we're already working on here. In that case I would add the minor information from the book. --Brandingopportunity 19:59, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

also if the minor character influances another page/set of pages, I would include them... such as the mapmaker in korvosa and his shop. He introduces other plossible plot hooks, doesn't give away much of the story, but could be referenced in many ways by DMs and writers -- Cpt kirstov 21:01, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Cpt kirstov brings up an excellent point. There are many uses for an index or for minor characters mentioned therein. --Brandingopportunity 21:03, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

What do the "f"s mean?

Thanks for all the work on this! It's a huge undertaking and one I think you're tackling quite handily. Just wondering what the "f" and "ff" after some page numbers means. I don't see that called out at the top like the "+" is. —Yoda8myhead 21:24, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

They are short for 'folio' and used to signify the named paged and the following page when a single 'f.' is used and following pages when a double is used: 'ff.' Have a look at http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ff. This link unfortunately shows my sloppiness in omitting the full stop which I shall now add. (Elsewhere in wikipedia it hints a full stop is not needed, but I did a quick check and 100% of the indexes I looked at used a full stop after the 'f's.) Have a look at some book indexes and you should see it used. I'll add a comment anyway for anyone who has not seen this use before. --Fleanetha 22:32, 30 December 2010 (UTC) PS: I noticed the link above does not retain the full stop after ff - you want .../wiki/ff. not .../wiki/ff - how do I do this as I need to get that right on the actual index page please?--Fleanetha 22:33, 30 December 2010 (UTC)