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- Welcome from me too, Pseudoname: a great start and thank you for your many contributions. There may be some tweaking to line up your work with the wiki's standards, so do ask any questions if you don't understand particular changes made. Thanks also for engaging collaboratively in the chat recently. --Fleanetha (talk) 11:10, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for the warm welcome! Sorry about my mistakes, I'll admit my eagerness outpaced my ability there. I'm working to try and clean in up now and I'll be sure to ask for help and/or clarification in the future. --Pseudoname (talk) 16:13, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
- You should see some of the mistakes I made when I first joined - unfortunately, wikis never forget so they are here for all time. A difference of opinion is not a mistake, though, and all views are valid.
- I've had a quick look at your recent irlgaunt updates - thanks for those - as a chance to show you some standards you can adopt to prevent rework in the future. First, you chose a pretty old page, so I modernised it too. I'll list the main points here:
- we try to place any real-world material below the References section - that provides a cordon sanitaire between the work written by our scholar from Golarion and our world. This is discussed more in PathfinderWiki:Point of view. So, trivia about how Paizo developed a theme is very interesting but needs to sit outside the space used by our in-world archivist. Unfortunately, any citation placed after the References section does not get processed correctly. This is why I have changed them to footnotes to preserve your work and keep to the PoV principle. If you have an alternative way to do that, feel free to amend.
- citations from Adventure Paths use a complex template which means to more accurately specify the section from which a reference is made a single page number is needed after the first '|'. To make a slightly amended reference, as you have done with a page range, use a second '|' and place that text next. This is discussed here: Help:Citing sources.
- to neaten the categorisation, when a general statement is made like 'Any mountains', we place the article into Category:Mountain terrain creatures alone rather than into all its subcategories: Category:Warm mountain creatures, Category:Temperate mountain creatures, and Category:Cold mountain creatures.
- Doing a quick trawl of categories, I noticed your work at Abysogh too. A few more pointers that I hope are useful, are not negative criticisms in any way, and explain why I have changed what I did in more detail:
- Please use standard templates on a page. They can be cut and paste from the relevant page indexed here: Help:Templates. This saves a lot of work for admins. If any of the information is unknown, you just leave the field blank ready for when that information is revealed.
- Navboxes at the bottom of a page can be partially expanded. If you click on the 'v' in the top left, you can see on the navbox template's page how to expand the bit you need. In this case, I added '|kin' to get the right bit.
- I removed Category:Gargantuan creatures from the article as we have not (yet) categorised creatures by size. This would be a major addition to the wiki and quite a bit of work to add. It is not wrong, however, and if you feel we should do this, then please suggest in the forum where we can discuss the pros and the cons.
Thank you for pointers! I'll be sure to double check templates and standards for presentation in the future. --Pseudoname (talk) 18:28, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
- To answer your general question about deletion on the wiki, here is a link to the policy page: PathfinderWiki:Deletion policy. The specific category where you raised your question has been handled specifically by User:Yoda8myhead. -Fleanetha (talk) 18:52, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
I am struggling to understand your recent updates where you have removed legitimate 2e categories from the creatures you've updated. I've spent some time trying to standardise and setting up the 2e trait category tree, recently, so will need them putting back please. You can always add but removal of standard categories needs some explanation and discussion please. --Fleanetha (talk) 08:22, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
- I apologize, I should have coordinated beforehand. I was attempting to simplify the categories for some of the elemental creatures, namely those categorized as _____ Elementals and grouped together under such a label in the Bestiaries instead of having their own page. As 'Fire elemental creature' would include and indicate the Fire and Elemental traits, I felt it was more concise to categorize the creatures by that category and link that category page to the associated traits, in a similar manner to the category of 'Temperate plains creatures' instead of separate categories for temperate environment creatures and plain terrain creatures. I'll revert the pages to the correct categories as soon as I can. --Pseudoname (talk) 00:52, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
- OK I now see the logic there, but the precedent you mention was discussed I think and didn't counter any 'official' element but just simplified having a string of similar categories on a page. The traits are official so, if you look at Cat:Air creatures you'd see all of them. Removing some would complicate that - I don't think we should do that, sorry. Ditto, there is no trait called 'Fire elemental' so having 'Cat:Fire elemental creature' is potentially confusing. What you are trying to achieve is fine though, and I think the simplest way to do that is to add 'Cat:_____ Elemental' to each of those pages. Then, one can view all the various air elementals in one category. I have just reverted your edit to Living thunderclap and added a missing category, so that now serves as a 'standard' model page, I'd say. Make sense? Let me know if anything's not clear. --Fleanetha (talk) 11:54, 29 September 2020 (UTC)