Talk:Roubris Chor

I shan't undo what a moderator has done but the section just deleted by yoda8myhead is in line, in my opinion, with the guidelines from Help:Writing an article about a person:

Appearances

The novels or sourcebooks in which the person plays a role. The person need only be mentioned in the novel and does not need to be a main or important character. If you are using the "Appearance" heading (see above) for this person's physical description, you might want to use "Sourcebook appearances" here to avoid confusion.

I don't see how that can be done without a real world point of view.

Please explain deletion of work on which time has been spent and in the spirit of what is in your help pages. --Fleanetha 22:33, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

You're right. That's a holdover from when we adapted existing how to pages from another project (I believe it was the FR Wiki) and before we cemented our Point of view policy. I think in-world articles should direct people to "appearances" via cited sources instead of breaking the POV. Thus, the how to guide should probably be changed to reflect the growth of the project. I know these have been on the agenda for quite some time as have other Help pages. Sorry if the edit confused you, or if you feel it was done unfairly. —Yoda8myhead 00:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Damn, I was ninja'd by Yoda. I'll still post what I had been writing, as it contains a few points he did not cover (although he did it more concisely.

The truth about the "Help" articles is that most of them are old, written back in 2008 or 2009. If you take a look at most of the other longer articles about people (such as Jakthion Korvosa or Waydon Endrin), you'll see that they are written completely from an "in-world" perspective, and do not include an "Appearances" section, or anything else that would change that perspective. The reason the "Appearances" section is still in the help article is that nobody has gotten around to changing it. The wiki has evolved since those Help articles has written.

Pathfinder Wiki has never had a lot of active contributers, never more than a dozen at a time. There simply has not been enough "manpower" or interest to do everything that needs to be done, including changing the Help articles. Heck, there is still TONS of information from the Rise of the Runelords AP that has not been included in the wiki, and that came out in 2007. I'm sorry that your work was deleted, but in the wiki's current state, it's simply better to take a look at the better-written articles in the various categories, and use those as an example, rather than rely on the somewhat incorrect "Help" articles. If you need help deciding what constitutes the correct "point of view" for an article, I would say ask us first, and also look at the article PathfinderWiki:Point_of_view. --Brandingopportunity 00:30, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks gents for the explanation and background. We need to get those help articles into shape I think as a matter of priority! I write articles with the appropriate help page open next to it and am sure I cannot be the only one. I've quickly amended the offending passage that tripped me up tonight and I'll delete the incorrect bits in my own articles now. Having to access and check multiple areas of the wiki to get a page right is going to cause you administrators a lot of needless work. Checklists are good especially if they are accurate. Happy to help here.

On the bigger picture, do we have a list of what's needed on the wiki? I noticed the Campaign Setting idea which seemed very logical but I guess that's on hold while we await the new updated tome. Could that idea be adopted for each book published? --Fleanetha 01:24, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

The issue is that different people update things in different ways. I can't just sit and update an entire book section. While people like Goblin Witchlord did the entire Quadira book within 24 hours. The indexes were an attempt to do something similar - it created empty links that show up in the wanted pages special page, and pointed out locations where the information is. Unfortunately these take lots of time that could be used to write articles... (I'll admit I don't do as much writing as I would like to) -- Cpt kirstov 01:36, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Personally, I have no interest in Help pages, lists of what's needed, or Projects. Instead, I enjoy writing articles on whatever topic interests me at any given moment, and then follow-up articles on any red links that generates. There aren't many of us on this wiki, and I think it is great that we are all interested in different aspects of it.--Amethal2 11:34, 25 February 2011 (UTC)