Talk:Ysoki
Merge
According to Bestiary (2E) p. 277, ysoki is now the proper endonym of the species commonly known as ratfolk:
| “ | [...] ratfolk are rodent-like humanoids well suited to living on the outskirts of mainstream society. Despite common misconceptions that they are dirty or diseased, ysoki, as they call themselves [...] | ” |
People of the Stars p. 15 suggests that the subjects of the current ratfolk and ysoki articles are one and the same (or at least not different enough for two articles):
| “ | The so-called Ysoki rat-men of Akiton (or, as they refer to themselves, simply the Ysoki) are clever engineers and scavengers that adopt technological and societal traits from other cultures and make them their own. They are physically all but indistinguishable from Golarion’s ratfolk, leading many exobiologists to speculate that the two races are in fact one and the same, or at least have diverged only very recently on an evolutionary timescale | ” |
I'll assume if there's no comment in the next two weeks that it is acceptable to merge the contents of this article into ratfolk (under the name ysoki) and make relevant changes to other articles. - HTD (talk) 02:07, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- Added some fun context originally omitted from the excellent quote. Great job -Oznogon (talk) 10:38, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Demerge?
I am unsure this was a good merge, HTD, and one that was objected to at the time. Your chosen reference, caligni, is the name used in the Bestiary (2E) as the page header, but this creature is filed under 'ratfolk' and most other refs to them I can find in other 2e books are to ratfolk. Plus the trait is 'Ratfolk'. Furthermore, images and navboxes are not moved/renamed and the category structure retains ratfolk as the main tier, so the move is still incomplete. I'd suggest we revert: use 'ratfolk' as the main page name as per the new Bestiary, show 'ysoki' as an endonym, reinstate Ysoki with a capital 'Y' for the 'Ysoki rat-men of Akiton'.
Alternatively, we stick with ysoki, but the job needs completing and the distinctive nature of the alien Ysoki needs bringing back.
Nevertheless, I'd prefer 'ratfolk' as the page name, so we stay consistent with Paizo and the wiki infrastructure. Am I missing anything? --Fleanetha (talk) 20:51, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- I was following another guideline which has existed for a few years, namely 'Use true names', so the correct name to use would be ysoki instead of ratfolk. We have a precedent for this in the forms of devils (whose articles have always been named barbazu, hamatula,... instead of bearded devil, barbed devil,..., even though the latter are ). Plus, since the terms ratfolk and ysoki are now synonyms in-world, it would be very confusing to use ratfolk as the name of the article for the entire species and ysoki for the Akitonian group (which, as I said, are probably not distinctive enough to have a whole article). - HTD (talk) 00:25, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I do notice that Paizo has the devil's true names as the header in its 2E bestiaries though, so ysoki is more of an outlier. Nevertheless, we are stuck in a half-way-house position at the moment that needs resolving one way or another - will you push on to complete the ysoki rename please as per comments above. Let me know what deletions need to be made when done. Thanks. --Fleanetha (talk) 10:54, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
- For starters, Category:Ysoki/Inhabitants should not be a subcategory of Category:Ratfolk/Inhabitants (since they're synonyms now). - HTD (talk) 15:15, 17 August 2020 (UTC)