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Again, welcome and have fun! — Fleanetha (talk) 08:52, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Magnificent First Day

Welcome again HTD and many thanks for jumping in and improving our wiki by updating from some of the more modern sources - very much appreciated and, as they say, keep up the good work. --Fleanetha (talk) 19:43, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

...and miraculous follow up

Hello again HTD. What you have done on our wiki is miraculous - many, many thanks, and that is the most important message. Please don't be offended by the small changes I have made to the templates you've been working on. You may be correct in some of them, but I have reversed those I cannot immediately see why a deletion was necessary. If you disagree / are unclear just type a little note in the Discussion/Template Talk page for the template and we can discuss properly. This is safer than a hard deletion that may be missed. Updating the template documentation would also help the reviewers understand your intention. --Fleanetha (talk) 09:57, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Template help

To help you set up your pages, HTD, and to maintain consistency, did you know there are proforma page templates? For instance, for a new page about a creature, open the blank page at at the top you'll see an 'Article template toolbox'. Open it up by clicking on the [show] button, click on [show] for 'People and beings', then click 'Creature' and a standardly formatted Creature page is created ready for completion. Much of the template, page structure, and categories are pre-populated for your ease. You can use comments to block out any sections not yet needed too ready for later editors to complete when that information is published. This will also help the editors review your input. Let me know if you can't access this helpmate. --Fleanetha (talk) 14:18, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

I think I can help you find them (and there are a few). If I make up a name of a page that will never exist, osaahflahsflhsaflksa, you can click on that and the template tool appears at the top of your screen just below the text: 'If you are here by mistake, click your browser's back button.' - have a play. I am confident that link will stay red even if Bestiary 7 is published. --Fleanetha (talk) 16:11, 3 August 2018 (UTC)


Your deletion of ostovite from Template:Demon species navbox stated 'not a demon' as the rationale. Thanks for adding a rationale, it does help. However, this time, the creature is described as a demon in the reference source given under the navbox, so I have undone the deletion. Please provide more evidence / open a conversation at Template talk:Demon species navbox and we can amend appropriately thereafter. I made some comments above about how best to handle such deletions - anything you can do to help reviewers is appreciated. -Fleanetha (talk) 08:50, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

answered your last point in my User talk area, HTD. --Fleanetha (talk) 21:08, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Make a User Page!!!

You seem to be posting a lot. It'd be nice not to have so many red-linked HTDs in recent changes *wink*—Paizo Publishing, LLC.png Yoda8myhead (talk) 03:51, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

And here I thought I was posting this in your talk page. I guess I went and made you a user page! But it's empty now that I moved the text here. So, while the red links are gone, your user page is so sad!—Paizo Publishing, LLC.png Yoda8myhead (talk) 03:54, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Removing references

Thanks for updating articles with information from newer sources. However, please don't delete references to older sources, especially if they contain the same or similar information. Users who might not own the newer sources can still use the wiki to find information on that subject. Some examples include refences you removed from Higashiyama Shigure and xiomorn. The best practice recommended by the canon policy is to discuss deletion plans on an article's talk pages before making the change.

Also, if content in newer sources conflicts with older sources, please follow the policy on canon conflicts to document and resolve the conflicts. -Oznogon (talk) 20:28, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

I've restored another reference removed without explanation, this time from neothelid. Please do not delete references without an explanation. -Oznogon (talk) 07:26, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
I've restored an item you removed from Template:Robot navbox without explanation. To be more explicit, please do not delete citations, categories, or navbox list items without explanation, and if there is any doubt then discuss or explain when deleting anything. It saves everyone the trouble of trying to guess at what could be motivating that decision, and discussion gives others who have worked on these articles and tools a chance to review and suggest further or alternative changes. -Oznogon (talk) 05:44, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Spoiler policy

Pages you created for Secret Shade, Erich Zann, Userib, Cassilda, Maukui, Lencia Visserene, Katiyana, Anamurumon, and Kimandatsu have all had spoiler badges added to them by an administrator in the last few days. Please review the spoiler policy and add spoiler {{Badges}} to articles you create that contain spoilers. -Oznogon (talk) 07:26, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

People have either asked or told you to err on the side of badges for three months, and wasted time following after you cleaning it up for you. We've revised and expanded the policy for you.
At this point we're running the wiki on your schedule, to suit you, and you still add blatant spoilers. You still rip up categories, references, content, all of it, without collaborating, without thinking about anyone but your own use.
It's disheartening. It's disruptive, wasteful, and ignores policy. If you don't like the policy, it can change! Just ask! Talk it out! But you're just a goddamned steamroller!
It's driving me off of this site. I'm out. It's yours. Hell with it -Oznogon (talk) 03:06, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Giant template

Thanks for updating Template:Giant species, HTD. Can you add a rationale in the navbox please to indicate why the three giant types, Inverted giant, Mongrel giant, and Runeslave have been separated off at the bottom. I have already added for you a hidden title to show where it goes and how it should look. --Fleanetha (talk) 11:27, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

So, can you add the rationale please in the navbox? --Fleanetha (talk) 12:53, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Please take a break

We cannot manage some of the very far-reaching changes you're making. Since you continue to decline to discuss fundamental changes before making them, please take a day or two off from the wiki so admins, who are not in your timezone, can catch up and discuss. If you continue to make such changes to the wiki, I'll enforce this request with a temporary block. -Oznogon (talk) 00:24, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a step back and allowing us to start planning around the change to Nocticula. Please discuss at PathfinderWiki talk:Nocticula Revision Initiative to help us work through the ramifications of that change before we start editing related articles collaboratively. -Oznogon (talk) 23:54, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Helping by adding canon sources

You've been busy adding new articles, but it looks like you never followed up on many of them to add canon sources. Here's a list of more than 200 articles you created that don't have any canon source citations for content beyond Bestiary monster statistics:

Since you have an interest in these subjects, you can help to improve the wiki by adding at least one canon source for these articles. For details, please see Special:WikiForum/A quest! Improving articles that cite no canon sources. -Oznogon (talk) 05:38, 2 December 2018 (UTC)


Hello HTD. I am looking at your latest update to Norgorber here and cannot find anything relating to the topic discussed - "The halfling god Thamir Gixx ..." - at either reference you've made to the section from Crownfall. I am guessing it's simply a cut and paste error. Could you have a look please and add the refs you actually meant please? --Fleanetha (talk) 14:10, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Please take another break

HTD, the administrator team need to discuss how we handle the issues around your input to the wiki, balancing the positive enhancements you make against the vast amount of administrative work it generates and your repeated failure to take on board our requests to amend some of your behaviour. Please step back from editing the wiki now while we try to catch up and have our discussion. We'll let you know our decision as soon as we can, but please allow at least a fortnight for this. --Fleanetha (talk) 18:09, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Artwork uploading

HTD, could you please add or update the {{File}} information for artwork you upload? This is a simple way to help out and not leave boring admin for others to do, especially with the art when there's the added work of hunting down the source to get the details and check its validity. There's help on the linked page to the template and many examples to look at for guidance, so it doesn't take too long. Uploads needing the data start with File:We Be Heroes?.jpg on 4 Feb and will help you find the others. Thanks. -Fleanetha (talk) 17:35, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you -Fleanetha (talk) 17:19, 12 March 2019 (UTC)


Hello HTD,

Can you reference the source for the adjective 'Ningese' please? It does not occur anywhere in Distant Worlds, the only reference on the new Ning page you wrote. --Fleanetha (talk) 12:12, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Starfinder version has this as well, so might be from Pact Worlds -- Cpt kirstov (talk) 16:01, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
A quick PDF search reveals it a few times in The Frozen Stars, first appearing in area D9 on page 49.—Paizo Publishing, LLC.png Yoda8myhead (talk) 21:11, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Removal of formatting

HTD, I just noticed you are removing formatting in articles placed to help people craft the pages without yourself adding anything to those sections. As those sections are hidden, I don't see why you need to do this and request that you leave them alone until the section in question is filled in when such help matter can then be sensibly removed. It'd be good if you could add back the deleted material for the benefit of others please. --Fleanetha (talk) 11:21, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Axis removals

Not deletions this time, but three areas have been commented out on the Axis page with no rationale given on the talk page, within the edits, or even in the edit comment. This is the edit: Please supply a rationale. --Fleanetha (talk) 14:12, 27 June 2019 (UTC)


HTD, you marked up an alignment conflict for Svevenka but provided no details. Could you complete Talk:Svevenka/Conflicts please. --Fleanetha (talk) 15:15, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks -Fleanetha (talk) 18:25, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


HTD, when a redirect is made from a source to a target page, it's helpful to add the source name to the target page in boldface, so the redirected reader knows why they have a different page on screen from the one they typed in. Also, where sensible, add a reference to the text for a canon source for the redirect's rationale. See your Archive angel and Tyrant devil as examples, which luckily I quickly found this time and have added to the wiki. Conversely, when you embolden a term on a page to indicate a subject will be discussed on that page rather than on a page of its own, perhaps a variant creature, for instance, a redirect is needed to navigate correctly there from the emboldened term. For example, Ghost metal golem and Abysibrix golem‎, which you reasonably added to Inubrix golem‎.

Have a look at Help:Redirect for more information, but please try to complete these relatively simple jobs, as someone has to do so, and I seem to have come across quite a few of late. --Fleanetha (talk) 23:20, 10 December 2019 (UTC)


Seeing some good work, HTD, on including the new Lost Omens Legends book. Thanks. --Fleanetha (talk) 10:55, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Orc pantheon

HTD, I can see you made the comment 'correct divine rank' for Zagresh on 11 February 2020, and I can also see a similar uncommented treatment for Sezelrian moving them from minor deities to demigods. In the two references quoted, I cannot see that demotion but, actually, quite a bit of evidence for 'god' status. Can you provide a reference for the demotion so we can add it please? Does it apply to the whole pantheon as no others have had a similar treatment? Plus, the category structure is currently out of alignment and needs making consistent for any such changes. Thanks --Fleanetha (talk) 15:56, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

...and Matravash too please. --Fleanetha (talk) 19:17, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
Saw you response on my talk page: thanks for that reminder. Planar Adventures is canon so, yes, we have many such mismatches then. We need a statement, though, to explain the rank when it's not in the text to avoid other people being equally puzzled and to stop me asking you the same question over and over. I'll have a think. Can you align the cat page with any such changes when you make them please to prevent misalignment growing as a help? --Fleanetha (talk) 08:10, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Re the response on my talk page just now, I'd say this. Add clarity where you can. Make consistent where you can. Let's not have a deity's page in one category and its Category page in another - that's just a mess forcing someone to research what's going on when it's spotted. So if you change the page - align the category page at the same time. If there's doubt, add a reference or comment explaining the doubt and rationale for change - that will help until such a time that it's clarified. It all helps please. Eventually, I'll try to come up with a standard reference for the 4-domain assumption: a template maybe. I am unsure that a 1E-crunch policy (4 or 5 domains) should be over-riding text in a book that refers to a 'god' rather than a 'demigod' BUT Planar Adventures is canon and modern and clear, and written when Paizo was developing 2e, so my discomfort is low with this, unless we get official word otherwise. Have you raised this on the Paizo boards, for instance? Thanks HTD. --Fleanetha (talk) 09:38, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
I've created then a template to keep things simple for editing and to add clarity: {{Demigod status assumed}} - see what you think. I'll add it to Matravash now as a test. --Fleanetha (talk) 11:05, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
All good stuff on my talk page - thanks. I have incorporated most of that into the help for the new template. I agree with you re the in-line wording being a bit too obvious and so have trimmed it right down, as I feel it does need to go next to the demigod status assertion in the text. I think Magrim can be treated similarly now - I'll update. Can you think of any more instances where we can now explicitly explain such a change? In other news, I think the wiki is now consistent re the new untabbed Deity template - any 2E information that has recently been added to the wiki is now formatted in the new way in the new ib. So, all deity pages now show the 1E and 2E information in the appropriate section. Again, can you remember any others that were changed that I have missed? Thanks. -Fleanetha (talk) 11:12, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
Understood the point re Magrim and amended accordingly. The question I had above was about past changes rather than the vast list of what still needs to be done: can you remember any existing pages that might still be inconsistent re demigod derivations or 2e information? Or are we consistent now? Thanks --Fleanetha (talk) 10:13, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Contributor name changes (Deadnaming)

I noticed today that the credits page for Hands of the Devil uses a contributor's deadname and wanted to make sure you were aware of it so that it doesn't happen again. In general, we follow Paizo's lead on this issue, and use authors' new names when referring to older works (see Category:Works by Vanessa Hoskins and Category:Works by Lu Pellazar), even if they were credited with their former names. In this case, the author was credited as Amber Stewart in the book, and your edit replaced that name with her deadname. We can clean up past instances of their deadname with a bot and redirects, but should use only their actual name in new pages. Let me know if you have any questions.—Paizo Publishing, LLC.png Yoda8myhead (talk) 19:43, 25 February 2021 (UTC)


Thanks for updating the auto-categorisation for the One-Shots, HTD. --Fleanetha (talk) 23:25, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

1E -> 2E name changes

I am afraid I am a little weary of all the tidying up needed after your 1e -> 2e page moves, as I have had to do quite a few now, despite requesting and offering aid. If I didn't, we'd have breakage in links to images, category trees, and navboxes, etc., which sometimes don't get noticed for months. I have written a help page for this subject here: Help:Moving 1E pages to 2E names, which I expect you to follow please for any future moves: that would be very helpful. If you're just not prepared to do the task properly—as I know it is within your capability—fine. In that case, please just place a {{Move}} template at the top of the relevant page, as per the instructions on the help page under 'This is way too complicated and beyond my wiki skill!'. That will alert someone to start and complete the full job. --Fleanetha (talk) 15:33, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

or other moves, especially when I had indicated what would also need doing ahead of time to avoid broken links. --Fleanetha (talk) 15:56, 28 April 2023 (UTC)