Talk:Grand Temple of the Peacock Spirit

Canon value of puzzle solutions

Is there any real canon value in spoiling a puzzle? -Oznogon (talk) 10:21, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

I put that stuff here because I don't really consider it to fall under the 'no crunch' policy. I'm not quite sure if it's really a puzzle or not, since all that is needed to figure it out are a Knowledge check and a Perception check. - HTD (talk) 10:53, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but that's not even remotely an answer to the question that I asked.

What is the value, if any, of this specific information in this specific context? Whom does it help, and what does it help them do? -Oznogon (talk) 01:20, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

I don't really have another answer to that question. You're probably right; the redundant information has been commented out. - HTD (talk) 02:41, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Spoiler question

HTD, in stating 'no spoilers for any volume but the fourth', are you sure that someone reading this as a player currently in Books 1–3 is also not going to have their AP spoiled? --Fleanetha (talk) 15:05, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Seeing how the location isn't even mentioned in the first three adventures in the AP except in a GM instruction sidebar and the crunch of some abilities (the PCs only learn about it at the start of book four), I don't think that the page would qualify as a spoiler for these particular volumes. I'd still say that players currently in the first three books will have the AP spoiled by reading this page, but only for the fourth volume in particular, not for any previous one. Likewise, it seems to me that once they have already finished book four, then the page is safe to read. - HTD (talk) 15:35, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

So, I'll reapply the full spoiler then. --Fleanetha (talk) 15:57, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Excuse me, I'm a little confused, since this doesn't look like what we normally do (in similar cases I've noticed, the normal practice is to mention only the name of the volume being spoiled, not the whole AP with an emphasis on the volume in question). For example, Aldern Foxglove's spoiler notice only mentions The Skinsaw Murders, not "The Rise of the Runelords AP, particularly The Skinsaw Murders"; Alderpash's spoiler notice is Herald of the Ivory Labyrinth, not "The Wrath of the Righteous AP, particularly Herald of the Ivory Labyrinth"; etc... Is this something that should be changed across the whole wiki, or was I being unclear in my previous response (if it's the latter case, then apologies for that)? - HTD (talk) 16:33, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

To elaborate: my original point was that if a player is progressing through the first three volumes of the AP, then I think I could safely assume that they're going to play through the fourth some time in the future, and therefore they shouldn't read the page until they have already finished it (it isn't a spoiler for the adventure they're directly playing through, but for one that they're going to play in the future). - HTD (talk) 16:46, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

If I were reading a novel or watching a television series and somebody told me what happens in Chapter / Episode 4 with the rationale that they knew I was only on Chapter 2, I'd still be pretty miffed. I have not read this AP, all I have is your 'I'd still say that players currently in the first three books will have the AP spoiled by reading this page, ...' to work with. A spoiler then that states 'spoiled=The Return of the Runelords Adventure Path, particularlyTemple of the Peacock Spirit ' seems spot on then and helpful to players, doesn't it? So, it doesn't need changing. If it's not clear, then we currently have a spoiler discussion open to add this to, but I'd play safe on this for the players' benefit, and, if we have spoilers inaccurately described, then we probably should change them. My guess is that's a big job and a difficult one to do when you haven't read the source materials. If you can help here, that would be useful, but let's start with getting the policy right. --Fleanetha (talk) 18:16, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

I'll mark this discussion as 'to be revisited later', probably after you've finished playing the AP, then. The spoiler notice would probably not need changing, no... if it wasn't different from how spoilers are marked on this wiki. - HTD (talk) 20:38, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

I think HTD is correct, here, in that listing the specific volume, not the larger campaign, is the consistent practice on this wiki. I think we should always be as specific as necessary but no more in spoiler tags. If there were a Return of the Runelords TV show, for example, with each volume being a season, we'd specify at most which season and likely which specific episode(s) within that season were spoiled by the contents. If it were a Lord of the Rings wiki, would the Shelob article say it spoils The Lord of the Rings, The Two Towers, or the chapter, "Shelob's Lair"? Someone reading the spoiler warning, like yourself, who hasn't gotten to Temple of the Peacock Spirit can simply stop reading in the same way they could if it says it spoils the entire AP. If anything, it allows someone who has played that adventure but not yet completed the AP to know that this article is safe to read after the chapter is concluded and doesn't contain any spoilers to later elements in the AP.— Yoda8myhead (talk) 00:39, 27 February 2019 (UTC)