Talk:List of written works

Help Adding Ref

I'm REALLY bad at adding citations. Could someone help out and add the ref. for Pnakotic Manuscripts, from Wake of the Watcher? I added the book, but I don't have time to figure out how to add the reference in right now. I'll try to figure out how to do it myself later on when I have the time. Thank you very much in advance! :) —This unsigned post was made by RyokoMocha. Please sign all posts with ~~~~.

Looks like Fleanetha beat me to it. -- Cpt kirstov (talk) 19:18, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

For information on adding citations please see Help:Citing sources for information on citing sources in articles and feel free to contact me with any questions if the help page isn't clear enough.— Yoda8myhead (talk) 19:46, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Unnamed works

Do we really need the list and references for unnamed works? I sort of feel like they bog the article down and don't really provide any useful information to the reader. -- yoda8myhead 16:46, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

I think you're probably right. When I started collecting references to books I was trying to be as complete as possible. Now it seems that there will be plenty enough on the list without these unimportant works. --Aeakett 18:18, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Love this page

I just have to say, I really like this page. Perhaps it's all the time I've spent working in libraries :) --brandingopportunity 01:27, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Finding More

a good place to look for more written works is the chapter introductions in any of the books based in fluff. Almost always, at least one of the little blubs in the introductions is from a book of some sort. -- Cpt kirstov 19:28, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Also, I think a good number of titles were mentioned in Prince of Wolves When Varian Jeggare was in the Count's estate looking for books. -- Cpt kirstov 14:51, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

I was wrong, just went through the chapter again, there are a few that might make the unnamed works, bt nothing is named other than the big book they are after. -- Cpt kirstov 12:10, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

References font size

I've decreased the font size of the references. There are so many now on this page that it was getting to be a bit unwieldy, IMO. Let me know if you think we should change it back. --brandingopportunity 15:58, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

I think it looks great! —yoda8myhead 17:18, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, it looks great. This should buy us a little more time before we have to come up with a scheme to split the article up. Good work. —aeakett 23:43, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Ready for Splitting

I love this page too; indeed I think one of the areas in which Golarion feels right ism in the richness of the art scene and how it differs from area to area.

I have set up an Art Category structure here: Category:Art. If you look, you can see the subcategories in there. It's simple (i.e., not wikipedia) but I think at the right level to break down the various art works, artists and venues for art mentioned for Golarion. I have catalogued all extant links from this page and, when I get time (unless someone beats me to it) will search on each of these areas and categorize accordingly.

Anyway, when people think this page is too unwieldy and needs splitting you have a ready made construct in which to work --Fleanetha 00:11, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Acadamae versus High Academae

Ref: Whispers of the Immortal.

Note the spelling difference: the Acadamae in Korvosa is definitely spelt with an 'a'. The High Academae is spelt with an 'e' here and in its source Hungry Are the Dead where it is not clear they refer to the same place: so different spellings may be appropriate. Still in that sourcebook the High Academae is also referred to as simply the Academae; the 'e' is always consistent. Are they different places differently spelt or the same place with an inconsistent spelling? This is the only place left in the wiki (apart from a sandbox which I shouldn't edit) that retains the 'e' spelling. --Fleanetha 08:17, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Proposed Rename

I'd like to rename this page "List of written works" since the current name is unclear that it's about, well, written works. Since a symphony, a sculpture, and a cathedral can all technically be called "works", this would make the article's title a bit clearer. There are a lot of articles, especially redirects, pointing here, however. If we change the article's name, I'd like to go and point those to the new article instead of using double redirects. We can sic a bot on that task, but I wanted to make sure no one had an issue with renaming the page before I do so.— Yoda8myhead (talk) 00:18, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

There was a lot of older talk above about splitting this into separate articles. If we rename this to written works, should we have similar list pages for performance works, visual artwork, holy texts, etc.? -Oznogon (talk) 01:10, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

In looking through the article, I'm not seeing anything that isn't written. Operas and theatrical works should probably be duplicated on articles on their respective formats, but remain here as well, since they remain written works. If there are any straggling works of visual or exclusively musical art, then yes, those should move to the appropriate lists of similar material, though I don't see any in a cursory glance through this list.— Yoda8myhead (talk) 01:18, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Right--sorry, I didn't mean to suggest there were any on this list. I meant, would it be useful if we created and populate similar list pages for other types of works, in addition to renaming this page? -Oznogon (talk) 02:35, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

There are 4 plays listed here. I think at least one of them was indirectly described as an oral tradition (I don't see that in the article though) without mention of being written down. I can't remember which though.- Cpt kirstov (talk) 17:44, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

In the real world, many works of antiquity were passed down through oral tradition, including the Norse eddas, Greek epics like The Iliad and Odyssey and plays like those of Aeschylus and Sophocles. Despite that, they're generally considered "written works" today, despite not being written down until centuries after their creation.

As for other mediums, I don't see a reason not to make similar lists of them, though some of them might be sparse enough that they don't really require a list at this point. Specifically, I can't think of very many named paintings or sculptures in the world. We don't have an equivalent of Michelangelo's David or the Mona Lisa in the Pathfinder setting, as far as I know.— Yoda8myhead (talk) 19:53, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Agreed. Most plays come in written form as well, "Romeo and Juliet" is known as performance art, but is also required reading in 10th grade. Likewise, most music that has a title has been written as sheet music, and/or lyrics prior to being performed. Therefore most performance art could fit in the written works for now, unless we start to see enough entries to make breaking it out worth it. Similar with holy texts. I could see them having their own list, as there are a lot of them, but I still think they should be included here as well.

I think most of the works of art which are named are outside monuments. Off the top of my head there are some in Magnimar and the one in the Grand Lodge of Durvin Gest. As the Statue of Liberty is both a monument and a statue, so would these be. We do already have a Images of statues category. A few other artworks are named as background information in modules where the artists are characters such as; Gallery of Evil, the one in CotCT, and possibly one of The Devil We Know Scenarios. Varian Jaggare mentions a few fine artworks he passes by name in his stories as well. I think we could group enough artwork together to justify a list. I can't really think of any other things that would justify it though. - Cpt kirstov (talk) 22:41, 8 August 2017 (UTC)