Talk:Queen of the Night

Creative origins

F. Wesley Schneider discusses the creative origins of the four whore queens in this forum thread.--Filby (talk) 11:27, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Thoughts about changing the name? [CONCLUDED]

Paizo's Book of the Damned changes the name of these four deities to a more publicly-usable "Queens of the Night" - should we consider changing their entry on the Wiki as well? CanisDirus (talk) 14:12, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

I think so. We can certainly leave redirects from Whore queen to the new page, and mention both titles in bold at the start of the article.— Yoda8myhead (talk) 19:11, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Done -Fleanetha (talk) 14:51, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

It'd be helpful if the article included a specific citation for the name change. I'd add it but don't have this book. -Oznogon (talk) 07:15, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Apparently, whore queen is a "mortal-given name", rather than a name change, and I have added a note and ref. --Fleanetha (talk) 00:24, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Hell and misogyny

Ran out of room in the edit note so I'm going to compile the info on the topic here

PoD32 "Yet, although his hierarchy of diabolical lords holds no room for women..." -Specifically referring to Asmodeus, but easy to see how one could think his views would determine the views of Hell

PoD32 "they have not become the empresses of well-reasoned utopias, but rather second-class nobles among the most perverse souls of the multiverse" - calling them second class nobles one could easily infer this is because of the misogyny. Reading it from the point of view that that is not the case, it could be referring more generally about how a lot of celestials got screwed over when Asmodeus made only 8 of his followers archdevils, thus the other rulers are second class.

CotR55 "...but they were betrayed again by Asmodeus and his archdevils and dukes, who treated them as second-class citizens." -Strongest evidence for Hell as a whole being misogynistic and no room for interpretation. Important to note written by freelance author Amber Scott and not Schneider. Schneider may have changed his mind on the concept, but given the close time frame to the blog post, miscommunication is also possible.

BotD48 - Eiseth is explicitly stated as having been welcomed into her position in Dis. Given her great deal of autonomy at the very least Dispater contradicts that all of Hell is misogynistic.

BotD49 "...[Eiseth]’s reached the pinnacle of power to which a woman might climb in Hell." - This is blatantly misogynistic, but as the next highest rank is Archdevil and those are determined by Asmodeus, it still fits into just Asmodeus being a misogynist and not necessarily the entire hierarchy of Hell. --User:IanA (talk) 16:53, 10 November 2022 (UTC)