Talk:River Kingdoms

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Are the River Kingdoms a {{Nation}} or {{Region}}? It has no ruler or organized government, and its component nations and city-states are independent sovereign states. Even when compared to the Shackles and its Pirate Council, the Outlaw Council holds no executive power over its members; there's no equivalent to the Hurricane King, and independent places within the River Kingdoms like Hymbria and Orthult (and I believe Fort Inevitable as well) outright disregard it. -Oznogon (talk) 18:59, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

It's probably the most "regional" of all the regions in the Inner Sea, even moreso than Varisia or the Shackles.— Yoda8myhead (talk) 20:53, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

It is a 'nation' only because it has a section in the ISWG and has been treated as a unified area from the off. Within Golarion, they speak of the RK as an entity that is distinct from its surrounding neighbours. This has come up before: see Talk:Iobaria. Varisia is pretty loosely defined as a nation: it is more a collection of remote city states with each having a hinterland and gaps between them. Let's find an exception too: Steaming Sea was promoted to having its own section in ISWG, but that has not been given a {{Nation}} or corresponding category (quite rightly) - it has {{Region}} applied. So as I note at Iobaria: "Region is used predominantly as a subsection of a country (like a county) rather than a larger area containing many countries (like a subcontinent). Our nomenclature may be confusing there and inconsistent." Is it clear yet? Don't forget our discussion at Forum:River Kingdoms designation too from October 2014. Then the addition of 'Land' to the infobox helped a lot I thought. So currently we have Land above Nation above Region. Should we have a {{Land}}? I would be opposed to Region being both above and below Nation as that way madness lies. To adopt Region as the top level above Nation is not impossible but a lot of work, and frankly confusing, and then we would have to find a new term for a subsection of a Nation. Did anyone mention Vudra? Let's move this discussion to the existing Forum article as we'll never find it in a few weeks' time here? --Fleanetha (talk) 13:07, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Moved this section of Talk to Forum:River Kingdoms designation but the Please check categories tag will need to be removed on resolution. --Fleanetha (talk) 13:07, 23 December 2015 (UTC)