Meta:Ogre
Canon changes
Monster Core 250–251 revises some details about ogre origins and nature, making some statements that rely on ogre inbreeding and reproduction irreconcilable without further clarification or post-Pathfinder Remaster context that as of June 2024 doesn't yet exist.
The following has been removed from the article, but should be restored if a canon clarification or source suggests it remains true:
- Ogre barbarism is furthered by the rampant incest that defines their tribes. Some ogres regress so far that they become completely incapable of even the most basic rational thought; such monstrous incarnations of rage are known as degenerate ogres. On the rare occasions when ogres vent their carnal lust on other species, they often force themselves upon terrified human victims, resulting in the horrifying ogrekin. When ogre blood mixes with human, it infects that family like a virus; any human bloodline sullied by ogre blood will never be the same again.1
- Female ogres are almost constantly pregnant, and this rapid birthrate helps counteract the constant attrition of vengeful soldiers, ogre-slaying adventurers, and ogrekind's own violent natures.1
Monster Core also removes gender restrictions on rank and leadership within ogre tribes. The following irreconcilable content has thus been removed from the article pending clarification or additional canon context:
- One tradition common to most ogre tribes is the skull hunt. When a male ogre reaches puberty, he is sent out to gather skulls in a night of murder and mayhem. These skull hunts take place on the night of a full moon, allowing the victims to see the ogre's approach. The number of skulls taken often determines the young ogre's rank within the tribe.2
While many species of sentient beings that had been described as inherently evil or monstrous in Pathfinder First Edition, such as orcs, goblins, kobolds, and kholo, are no longer described as such in Pathfinder Second Edition, Paizo staff have noted that ogres are an exception, though no canon source has explicitly stated this.34
For the version of the article prior to these changes, see revision 451847. -Oznogon (talk) 00:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
References
- ↑ 1.0 1.1 . “Ogre” in Classic Monsters Revisited, 47. Paizo Inc., 2008
- ↑ . “Ogre” in Classic Monsters Revisited, 48. Paizo Inc., 2008
- ↑ "SOME monsters in the game are meant to remain monsters; creatures that very much earn the 'not welcome in human communities'. Serpentfolk come to mind, which is why we're not doing a PC ancestry for them. Ogres are another good example, as are bugbears." James Jacobs. (January 15, 2021). Ask James Jacobs anything, Paizo messageboards.
- ↑ "I don't believe we've said much of anything yet about ogres' role in the game, but unlike goblins, kobolds, and kholos, ogres being large and having a much longer tradition of being monsters and not PC options means that they're going to remain in that role in the game." James Jacobs. (February 3, 2024). So what's happening to ogres?, Paizo messageboards.
Unincorporated sources
- Battle of Bloodmarch Hill IBC --Fleanetha (talk) 18:34, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
- Giant Hunter's Handbook 14 --Fleanetha (talk) 08:29, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- Monster Codex: complete chapter --Fleanetha (talk) 14:14, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
- People of the Wastes 24 --Fleanetha (talk) 23:30, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Monster Core 250-251 -Stejo (talk) 23:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)-Oznogon (talk) 00:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)- War of Immortals (sourcebook): Mythic Ogre 171 --Stejo (talk) 15:54, 2 November 2024 (UTC)