Talk:Dorel

I'm a bit disappointed with the extra information on the Mayor presented in Cities of Golarion. I was hoping for a mysterious creature who the Red Mantis had discovered on the island, and were forced to maintain an uneasy balance of power with in Ilizmagorti. Turns out that not only is he a senior member of the Red Mantis, but also he is specifically described as a "loyal" member.--Amethal2 21:20, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

Discuss recent changes please

Reverted HTD. My edits were partly in line with moving the page at your request keeping the capitalisation for the Mayor of Ilizmagorti as per the sources that refer to him as such, including Adventurer's Guide that gives the real name. As you know, we embolden such redirected targets on this wiki. Emboldening titles in addition to the name is also a well-trodden path to take - Jakalyn, for instance, who is also on the same page in AG. I see the issue with two Ilizmagortis on the same line. I'll try to better that now. --Fleanetha (talk) 21:56, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

I am aware of the practice of emboldening titles in addition to the name. I also know that High Killer is this NPC's formal title (as per Inner Sea Faiths, members of the Vernai are called High Killers), while the clause High Killer Dorel is one of the many identities... implies that the High Killer title is merely part of the Dorel identity instead of the actual person's title. This definitely must be rephrased. - HTD (talk) 23:42, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

I read it differently in that we have been given information about two of the doppelganger's personae out of many: High Killer Dorel and the Mayor of Ilizmagorti. I think you read it (it is not clear) that Dorel is the 'true name'; I read it that High Killer Dorel is one of many identities the doppelganger takes: 'In truth, Dorel is just one identity among many that this doppelganger assumes within the organization and beyond.' Make a suggestion for bettering the phrasing by all means and a compromise may be apparent, but your initial changes were both wrong: capitalisation; and 'High Killer of the Vernai' is tautological when Inner Sea Faiths states 'The cult is led by a group of deadly assassins known collectively as the Vernai, or “High Killers.”' --Fleanetha (talk) 19:48, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

No, I see Dorel as one of the many identities taken by the doppelganger, but High Killer as his formal title consistent across all identities. Dorel is one of the identities taken by a doppelganger who holds two titles: High Killer, as part of the Vernai council who leads the Red Mantis, and Mayor of Ilizmagorti, as the ruler of the only city on Mediogalti Island. In his guise as the Mayor of Ilizmagorti, he appears as a bald Mwangi man and lives on Mayor's Island... Would that be a sufficient compromise? - HTD (talk) 01:45, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

If you amend to this: 'who holds at least two titles', I can go with that as a compromise. 'Vernai council that leads...' is better too but the 'the secret ruling cabal of the Red Mantis,' is even better, which you had initially. Let's see how it looks. --Fleanetha (talk) 13:10, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Page amended as instructed. - HTD (talk) 13:23, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Great compromise, and the end result is a much more precise article, which I think is all of our goals. Thanks to both of you!— Yoda8myhead (talk) 22:18, 9 July 2019 (UTC)