Talk:Hold of Belkzen/Conflicts

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Borders

Published sources conflict significantly on the borders of the Hold of Belkzen, especially with the Realm of the Mammoth Lords north of Wyvernsting, with Ustalav east of Urgir, and with the Gravelands/Lastwall south of Urgir around Ghostlight Marsh.

  • The map on The Resurrection Flood inside front cover appears to be traced from the map on Belkzen, Hold of the Orc Hordes inside front cover. This includes the borders and scale, which are identical across the two maps.
    • More of the River Esk is included in Belkzen's borders, including the part of the river at the location of the Ghostlight Marsh. However, the marsh is not depicted on either map.
    • The more abstract depiction of the region in Belkzen fades the River Esk from view outside of Belkzen. Resurrection Flood interprets this as the river immediately ending at the same point, which is obviously incorrect. The same also occurs for the part of the Kestrel River in Belkzen.
    • The lands north of the pass between the northeastern Kodar Mountains and northern Tusk Mountains, including Dretha's Cradle and the head of the Flood Road, are depicted on both maps as benig within Belkzen's borders.
  • World Guide 37 and its poster map significantly changed Belkzen's borders.
    • Ghostlight Marsh and Castle Firrene are within the borders of the Gravelands. Urgir's point is moved significantly north (see Talk:Urgir/Conflicts).
    • Belkzen's northern border with the Realm of the Mammoth Lords end just north of Wyvernsting in the northern edge of the Kodar Mountains and do not extend to Dretha's Cradle or the head of the Flood Road.
    • World Guide also pushes the border with Ustalav further east, making it impossible to reconcile Freedom Town's relative position with geographic features with canon descriptions placing it inside of Belkzen. Resurrection Flood further complicates this by adding an additional PoI (Splitskull Fortress) even further north-northeast of Freedom Town.

Both Belkzen and the Realm of the Mammoth Lords are depicted as having poorly defined borders, but the map in The Resurrection Flood puts the borders in an odd state of changing to significantly different borders in World Guide, then returning precisely to their state as of Belkzen, Hold of the Orc Hordes.

These conflicts might be unresolvable barring official canon clarification. Reverting the World Guide border changes to the wiki's map would resolve most canon issues but would create additional conflicts with all maps in Lost Omens works about the region that are based on World Guide's depiction of these borders. -Oznogon (talk) 23:24, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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