Talk:Living thunderclap

I'm minded to delete this as a living thunderclap looks like a separate creature related to air elementals, like a belker, and there's nothing on the target page. I'll pause for comment HTD as I may have missed something, but ditto for blizzardborn. --Fleanetha (talk) 20:25, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

This creature's name and description match those of the primal elemental in the 2E Bestiary p. 145 almost perfectly:

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The most well known of all elementals are the primal elementals, creatures composed entirely of air, earth, fire, or water with roughly humanoid shapes. Many primal elementals are named after natural disasters

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(Well, these elementals are made of lightning and ice instead of the four main elements, but otherwise fit the description.) The idea is that the various names for primal elementals all redirect to the main elemental page (storm lord to air elemental, living waterfall to water elemental, living wildfire to fire elemental, stone mauler to earth elemental). - HTD (talk) 03:04, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Pathfinder Bestiary 152: 'Lightning elementals form from a conjunction of fire and air', yet the living thunderclap has no fire element, so I think we need to be careful about assumptions here. I see what you are saying re the primal elementals above but that needs explaining and a new page for the generic primal elementals made. Plus, I only now notice your redirects with no explanations on the target page (!) which needs amending as requested before. All these creatures are in a section called 'x elemental' and I further notice mephits are now under 'mephit elemental'. So, to be safe, I think we should look to make a page for each creature under its 2E name, unless it's a primal, and use the category structure to link x elementals, as that will now also include xorns and belkers, etc. I'll start here. -Fleanetha (talk) 22:59, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Primal elemental is currently a subsection of the main elemental page (I felt no need to create a whole article for them, and the various types of primal elemental are already covered by air elemental, water elemental, etc...). Mephits are listed under elementals yes, but the text still refers to them exclusively as 'mephits', not 'mephit elementals' (and we should follow that). I'll deal with the redirects later when I figure out a non-awkward way to put the alternate names into the article. - HTD (talk) 14:59, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Also I have noticed that the only dual-elemental creatures with traits of both constituents are the mephits. The rest only have one of them (the living thunderclap has Air and not Fire, the magma scorpion has Fire and not Earth, and all ice elementals only has Water, not Air), so this is not really an indication that the living thunderclap cannot be a primal lightning elemental. - HTD (talk) 23:19, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Maybe ask at Paizo - see what they say? My main concern is still with redirects that are assumptions and no rationale made anywhere. I also note the red link above to primal elementals! I looked who wrote that section with the term emboldened... This is an ongoing request. -Fleanetha (talk) 16:47, 9 June 2020 (UTC)