Talk:Aspis Consortium (Magnimar)

Merger?

I agree that this can be merged with Aspis Consortium. We can simply include a section therein about known or prominent bases of operation, and link to Bronze House and other relevant articles there. — Yoda8myhead (talk) 19:13, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Notably, the similar Pathfinder Society (Magnimar) link simply redirects to Heidmarch Manor. --Oznogon (talk) 22:23, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

I disagree with a merging of these pages. A reference at Aspis Consortium to this page and vice versa would be useful but a discussion of the Aspis' organization regionally is valuable, especially when a sourcebook has gone to the trouble of spelling it out. A separate page also lends itself to more tailored categorization, infoboxes, etc. I do, however, see this only as viable for the larger organizations where Paizo publish a lot of material where, were we to have a subsection in full for every regional faction, the main page would get unwieldy. We have a number of pages already for regional Aspis factions doing a useful job, so this is not just a question for this page. Also, the linking between such pages isn't good and could be bettered. However, there may be a valid reason for combining the regional element of an organization with its local headquarters, as per Oznogon's point above: that may be a neater solution? --Fleanetha (talk) 13:28, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

I'd merge this with Bronze House instead, especially considering this article's categories (particularly Category:Aspis Consortium/Locations despite this not referring to a specific location) and content (only the last half of this article's last sentence is not already in Bronze House). If we merge it with Aspis Consortium, the organizational information of other Aspis locations (such as Whitebridge Station and Nightfall Station) should also be merged into Aspis Consortium. If we leave this article as-is, we should create regional Aspis articles (Aspis Consortium (Mwangi Expanse) for Whitebridge and Nightfall, for instance).

We also have Aspis Consortium (Katapesh), Aspis Consortium (Kibwe), and Aspis Consortium (Sargava), none of which are consistently categorized nor use {{Organization}}; should those also be merged into Aspis Consortium? -Oznogon (talk) 04:45, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Agreed that seems the best way forward - parallel with the PFS so we don't have another type of construction for each large organization - so merge Aspis Consortium (Magnimar) with a new main page at Bronze House and have a ref to it from Aspis Consortium. Then fully categorize Bronze House as per a local Pathfinder lodge: (/Location & /Org), and add infobox and navbox. While this works very neatly for Magnimar (the Magnimar navbox would need tidying, though) we need to be aware that it is not necessarily so for areas where there is no named HQ. For PFS we have 'Lodge' as a convenient suffix to the town's name to make a local building even if we don't know a specific name. How do we parallel this for Aspis? Aspis Consortium (City) might then work but that is what we have now? Aspis Consortium HQ (Kibwe), Aspis Consortium Compound (Kibwe)??? ISWG has variously: regional headquarters, regional offices, auction houses. --Fleanetha (talk) 16:13, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Following the Society as an example:

• Many Pathfinder Society lodges are named buildings or fronts, and we refer to those accordingly. (For example, Heidmarch Manor, Swordmeet Lodge, Tails, Sharrowsmith's Exports, Starrise Spire, among others)
• When the lodge doesn't have its own building, or the building isn't named, it's usually mentioned from the broader location's article or the Pathfinder lodge article rather than having its own. (Castle Urion, Vigil, and others)
• Several lodges are mentioned only in the lists on the Pathfinder lodge page. (Lodges in Augustana, Katheer, and others)
• A handful of outliers don't follow any of those conventions. (Arcadian Mariner's Lodge, which is the Grinning Pixie and could likely be merged; Oppara Lodge, which is in a distinct but yet unnamed front business)

I'd say if the amount of information we have on Aspis activity is so little that we can't name the facilities they use, we should follow the Society as an example and describe it in a section of the Aspis Consortium article, or the city's places of interest section, or both. Likewise, we should avoid the Lodge suffix for Pathfinder lodges when we don't have a specific facility name unless there are no other options. Oppara Lodge is a good example of such an exception as we know it's located in a distinct front operation and simply lack the name, and it's notable enough as the origin of most modern wayfinders to have a standalone article. I doubt many (any?) Aspis facilities would meet such criteria. -Oznogon (talk) 22:46, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

For maybe obvious reasons I am running out of time - I see some agreement here (PFS as model; use proper name if we have it,...) but possibly also some disagreement as to long term goals, so not sure we are going to get to a solution today. Maybe an Aspis Consortium navbox a la {{Pathfinder lodges navbox}} might help to quantity survey the problem? --Fleanetha (talk) 13:54, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

What I'm saying is we shouldn't even start the habit of generic Aspis Consortium location articles with little or no content. Add a sentence about it in the city article, link to the Aspis article, list it in the Aspis article. It's what we already do for the Society. Not sure what a navbox contributes but feel free to make one if it helps. -Oznogon (talk) 07:10, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

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Removed the RfM from this page seeing as how nothing moved on this in four years. -Oznogon (talk) 05:04, 12 November 2018 (UTC)